RSA made bullets

TR Treeman 4 months ago

Which South African bullet makers make bonded bullets ?

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Claw, Stewart and Spoor make bonded bullets. Quest bullets have different thickness cups to try and avoid bullet failure.

I have used Claw, good bullet, but sometimes not accurate. Quest and spoor MMMMNN ? Who has used them ?

Spoor is excellent, I have used it for hunting. Feedback on his Facebook page and jaracal are positive. It’s a pleasure dealing with Rudi.

FMG ! Spoor wants R2280 for 100 bullets ????????????????????????? Like How ? WTF ! No ways man, how ?

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FMG ! Spoor wants R2280 for 100 bullets ????????????????????????? Like How ? WTF ! No ways man, how ?

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So after some research I got the info needed. Also lucky enough that Rudy messaged me with info needed. So the Spoor bullets are like next level stuff, CNC turned copper with a bonded lead soft point, a lot of work must go into that process and it would be an obvious winner when looking for a TOP TOP notch bullet. 
So yea, after getting the process explained and details, I can understand the pricing - get what you pay for kinda thing. 
 Price of copper is getting just stupid.

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FMG ! Spoor wants R2280 for 100 bullets ????????????????????????? Like How ? WTF ! No ways man, how ?

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Yo Treeman !
Are you not the same person that moans when we arrive at your hunts with cheapest ammunition? What is that sarci remark you always mumble ? " The bullet is the cheapest part of a hunt, and you choose to try save on that rand or two"

Cough Cough ! Treeman !!

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FMG ! Spoor wants R2280 for 100 bullets ????????????????????????? Like How ? WTF ! No ways man, how ?

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Yo Treeman !
Are you not the same person that moans when we arrive at your hunts with cheapest ammunition? What is that sarci remark you always mumble ? " The bullet is the cheapest part of a hunt, and you choose to try save on that rand or two"

Cough Cough ! Treeman !!

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I have heard this moan since I was too young to shoot, everytime my Dad see's a box of those S and B bullets.

My 7-08 really does do a lot of meat damage, I wonder if its not just because its a 7 mm

Proce of copper. CNC machine to cut the bullets. Bonding the lead tip in the nose to the copper projectile. Time and expensive material.

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Proce of copper. CNC machine to cut the bullets. Bonding the lead tip in the nose to the copper projectile. Time and expensive material.

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I hear you, I only found out later that they CNC turned, thought they were plain bonded bullets. 
Over kill for my needs.

Save 1 kilo of meat @ R40 per kilo - bullet price is only half that.

Nope, not the 7mm. I hunt with 7x64, Barnes 150 at 2850fps and no snotty blood. There is blood, but of a thicker texture and the meat is still usable for mince or dried wors. 

I have to complement you on the good looking couple that appeared in the photos your dad posted.

Rudy does stand behind his bullets 100%. He has to make a living as well.

If you look around a bit, you should find some good bonded bullets available. S&O had a good deal on Norma Oryx range. Got a few hundred of the 165gr. Very accurate out of all of my rifles. Also found a few Swift Scirocco bullets on Hunt&Gun auction. This is the bullets Sako use in their hammerhead ammunition that was sold for R2000 for 20 in 2023.

I am looking at the Peregrine Bushmaster bullets for the 308. 7x57 and maybe the 458. We shoot 240 m max, max ! usually 80 to 170m - what am I needing BC for ?  

@treeman 

Any specific reason for your choice - are they that much better than other plugged monos, like Spartan Ultimate Hunter from Frontier? 

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@treeman 

Any specific reason for your choice - are they that much better than other plugged monos, like Spartan Ultimate Hunter from Frontier? 

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(1) Price
(2) Wanting lower velocity expansion

From Dr Google: 

https://forum.accurateshooter.com/threads/low-velocity-expansion-bullets.4085193/

- Nosler Custom Comp

- Bullets for lower powdered calibres (30-30)

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From Dr Google: 

https://forum.accurateshooter.com/threads/low-velocity-expansion-bullets.4085193/

- Nosler Accubond Longrange

- Bullets for lower powdered calibres (30-30)

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The Safari/Spoor bullets made by Rudi Fischer seem to be of solid copper base, bonded lead front construction, much like the Rhino.

Is Rhino bullets still in business?

Stewart bullets (Hansie Minnaar) and Claw are well known local conventional bonded options.

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The Safari/Spoor bullets made by Rudi Fischer seem to be of solid copper base, bonded lead front construction, much like the Rhino.

Is Rhino bullets still in business?

Stewart bullets (Hansie Minnaar) and Claw are well known local conventional bonded options.

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Rhino - Claw seem to be gone.

I eventually settled on the Spoor bullet, but found it way to "much" or over engineered for my first need - that being shots at 30-80 m rarely over a hundred meter. The Spoor is a Premium bullet and wasted when shooting 50 m shots at 2100 fps POI. 
I then went back to the Hornady Interlok soft point and played around with the velocity and POI. 

I think I got lucky, perhaps it works like this, dunno ?

I got the Spoor 140 gr bullet at max able to achieve load that was also quarter inch group and set rifle to1.8 inch high at 100 m. I then started fiddling with the Hornady 154 gr bullets speeds below 2300 fps. I noted that the group below 2455 fps stayed half inch and better as I reduced velocity, but more importantly ! The group kept moving left on the target - my ideal wanted velocity was a thumb suck "I like" 2200 fps.  Unbelievably, at exactly 2200 fps the Hornady was half inch right of the Spoor bullet at 100 m
 I now had two loads that shot as follows - one at 2677 fps 1.8 inch high dead centre and one at 2200 fps shooting flat dead on vertically but about 1.5 cm to right. Ie: still in the one inch black square at 100 m

So Cody in the intended use for one specific farm Cody can load the Hornady cartridges and carry loose Spoor loads for if a far shot presents itself - which has not happened at intended use farm over the last 12 - 15 animals. 
I then also have the Spoor loads useable and ready with no scope change for everyday hunting on any farm. 

Was worrying, because we were really battling on the close range farm with 40-60 m shot meat damage at 2600 -2700 fps.
So all this is tested on paper, will check it all on game this week end. 

Do you have a big, heavy calibre for these short ranges? Maybe something like a 444 or similar? Or even a shotgun with slugs? Or maybe even a hunting handgun? 

@treeman Would it work for those 20m - 80m shots? Why / why not? A friend of mine used a 444 Marlin for hs bushveld work and only complained when shots went over 120m. 

(I want to remember that we did speak about this previously?)

@ds-j - the 458-2" works great out to about 150 m - 2" high and 2" low both travelled 😉 through in route. I have shot at 220m and the entrance wound was too high and the exit was too low.